Atentie. Desi pare lung postul, chiar e interesant cum altii cauta sa faca bani pe urma naivilor! Fereste-te de SCAM-eri, vezi care le sunt tacticile de a face bani
PS: fetelor, detin 40,000$ in bunuri . Dati-va rand ( joke )

Cat de mult imi plac lucrurile astea. Si cum toate se leaga intre ele. Nimic neobisnuit pentru cititorii fideli, am tot vorbit ca am investit in domenii.. Asadar, am un mic portfolio cu domenii proaste, si foarte proaste .Sper totusi ca la un moment dat, sa rasara soarele si in casa mea. Am cumparat recent un domeniu, care sper eu, sa ajung in cam cateva luni bune, sa scot un mic profit pe urma lui.

Asadar, la nici 2 zile dupa ce l-am cumparat, primesc pe e-mail urmatorul mesaj :

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web pr®jects. What is your price for the domain?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

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Stephen Hopkins

Vice President

Intellectual Investment Strategies LLC

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Ce pot spune, initial, chiar am crezut ca este cineva serios. Uitandu-ma la semnatura pompoasa ,am zis sigur este ceva serios. Asadar, bineinteles, nu ma reped cu nici un raspuns, ci astept sa treaca ~ o zi de cand am primit e-mailul. Dupa o zi, eu raspund prin urmatorul e-mail:

Hello.

The truth is that this domain name needs few months to grow to his real maximum value. Due to its registration age (blocked for more than 4 years) and due to the recently updates of ecommerce website of my .net ‘competitor’, may be available to sell now only if you make me an verry good offer.

I have other domain names for sale, and few of them are:

domains…
domains…
domains…
domains…

If you are interested in any of these domains, please send me back your offer.

Regards,
Constantin

Nu trece mult timp, si primesc raspuns. Fiindca a intrat la spam, l-am citit ceva mai tarziu. Inainte de a posta raspunsul lor, vreau sa dezbatem putin situatia din punctele de vedere ale unui domainer, doar sa invatam cu totii princiipile pe care trebuie sa le stim in viata. Acum, tragem linie la datele pe care le avem:
1. M-au contactat prin e-mail, si incepand cu prima linie, imi spun ca ei vand si cumpara proiecte online :site-uri sau domenii.
Cand spui ca faci asta, este clar, se intelege a fi cineva experimentat in domeniu, care stie ce face, right? Bun.

2. Semnatura pompoasa.

Vice President

Intellectual Investment Strategies LLC

Semnatura, numele companiei si statulul de vice president implica automat si consolideaza prima linie din email, “we sell and buy online projects”. Deci clar ai de a face cu oameni cu experienta in a vinde si cumpara domenii sau website-uri online.

Daca astea au fost premisele unui future deal, urmatorul mesaj m-a dezamagit total, si mi-a pus ceva semne de intrebare. Cititi-l cu atentie, apoi discutam.

Raspunsul lor prin e-mail:

Can you accept 40,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It’s very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:

http://www.domainexplorer.org/Archive/86457803.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% – 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we’ll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

Dezbatem. Daca pana acum datele indicau clar ca stau de vorba cu oameni experimentati, ce fel de intrebare e asta:
Can you accept 40,000 USD?
Eu stiu ca as putea avea un mic castig cu domeniul meu, dar sub nici o forma, 40.000$ nu are legatura cu valoarea .com-ului pe care il detin. Apoi, ei, dupa ce au lasat impresia unor oameni experimentati cu deal-urile online, de ce mi-ar cere mie, ca vanzator, sa cumpar o evaluare de pret (domain appraisal) unor profesionisti in domenii, unor persoane de care au auzit ei ca sunt de incredere, profi etc… . Pe urma, intervine partea unde te mai si joaca putin psihologic:
“If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% – 15% discount.”

De fapt, ei iti spun ca exista o mare sansa ca evaluarea sa fie mare, dar totusi, sa le faci o mica reducere de pret ca tot vei avea se pare, o cifra mare .

Ok, cu mari dubii, le dau reply urmatorul e-mail:

For now, the domain name is available without any content, since i have other projects running on. If we are not having a deal, in future, there is a big probability selling it as a website.

And about the appraisal, i never had a profesional one, and the truth is, i never intend to have one. My plan is to sell it to an end user, and if he is agree with price, he will buy, he knows better the future development of domain, not need other appraisals or related stuff.

Back to us, since you’re de buyer, you may hire an appraisal man on your costs to give you a professional response. When you have an offer for me, please share it. About the payment, it will be done throught escrow.com, with commision shared to both of us: 50% me and 50% you.

Constantin

Acesta a fost raspunsul meu, apoi imediat, primesc alt e-mail:

It’s a standard practice to show independent valuation to buyers/resellers.
Nobody will do business without it. I’m a businessman and have no intention
of changing rules which help both parties to avoid additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a “must” too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:

http://www.domainexplorer.org/Archive/86457803.htm

Without the independent valuation from a trusted source we don’t spend a
penny. This is our financial policy. So our offer is just a rought estimate.
If the appraisal comes higher we are ready to offer a bit more. If it comes
lower we will discuss the price with you again.

Thank you for understanding. I’m looking forward to do business with you.

Dupa acest e-mail, am inceput sa ma documentez vizavi de adresa lor de e-mail: hopkins@thedomaininvestors.com .

Nu mai era deloc o surpriza pentru mine, tot ce a facut a fost sa imi confirme banuiala e-mailului anterior : sunt SCAM.

Se fac interesati de domeniu, te fac sa platesti pentru o evaluare a domeniului tot la ei, doar ca sub nume diferite. Pe urma, se fac nevazuti , nu vei mai auzi ever de ei in legatura cu domeniul actual.

Raspunsul meu , dupa ce am citit pe net ca sunt SCAM, si ca altii au avut legatura cu ei:

Ok. It seems that we are not on the same frequency. I will not ever pay an appraisal for my domain. If you are interested in buying it, as i said before, send me back an offer. If you would like an appraisal, do it on your costs.

Constantin

A trecut cam o ora de la trimiterea e-mailului, si nu am nici o speranta la un alt raspuns. Insa revin cu detalii.

Tot ce vreau cu acest post este sa va atentionez de cum scam-erii precum hopkins@thedomaininvestors.com (www.thedomaininvestors.com) fac bani pe urma altora care pun usor botul la spusele lor .

Oricum, toate au un inceput, iar al meu, se pare, promitator ..au’ ca 40.000$ …